Two Becoming One-Response #2

Here is the second response I got to my questions

"Here's what I have so far.

Two becoming one is a mystery in the same way as the marriage of Christ and the Church according to Ephesians 5. It certainly involves the sexual union but it is so much more than that. One flesh cannot go in different directions in life—it must go together.

I've seen those two headed snakes before—the ones that can both flick their tongues—some can even both eat. You can tell that at times each head has its own thoughts about where to go or what to do and ordinarily they snakes would part ways, but in the end—they both go the same direction—to try and split them apart would be to kill the whole.

This is not to downplay sex as a part of oneness. The sexual union is vitally important to this oneness. Sex involves vulnerability and openness. For example, I cannot fathom how a married couple can engage in sex and it be intimate and pleasurable when there is anger, bitterness and unforgiveness. When people are capable of that, they see the other merely as an object to fulfill a momentary desire and not a true partner in life.

When I think of Genesis and why God made the woman in the first place, I consider that Adam wasn't really alone. God was frequently with him in the Garden. Even so God made woman, made Eve and immediately made the two "one flesh". She was to be his help-mate or life preserver, the one who guards and protects him, but also one whom Adam was to guard and protect. Relationship is inherent in God's nature and this sense of separateness is not what He wants for us or with us.

That's a key—eventually, we are supposed to be one with Him. Marriage is supposed to give us a sense of what that will be like. But since we have been corrupted and broken in the Fall, even our best attempts fall short of what it can and should be."

Two Becoming One-Response #1

Here is the first response I received on the questions I posted about two becoming one and marriage.


Married 7.5 yeas.


1. what does the concept of 2 becoming 1 mean? It means just that, physically of course, but also that you share everything. Both your paychecks go into the same account and from that account you pay your bills, including the debt you respectively brought to the marriage. There is no "my" anymore, it is "ours". It means that your dreams/goals/visions align. I'm not saying that you both have to want to be lawyers or if you are a doctor you have to marry a doctor. I'm saying that if I have dream to stop abortion it would make for a horrible marriage for me to marry a man who performed them. My husband and I both have a dream to see our neighborhood united and come under God's authority. It would be detrimental to our marriage if Christian wanted to move here and I wanted to live in a gated community. We are one when it comes to how we spend our money. We have a small allowance that we can blow on anything with no accountability but outside of that and paying bills, we discuss every expense and are united as one when it comes to our spending. We are one when it comes to disciplining our children, if one thing doesn't work we talk about and are one when trying something else. Because Christian and I are one, Nick knows that when I tell him no, it also means dad will tell him no and it is not acceptable to ask another adult when one of us tells him no. I'm sure there are more things but this is all I have right now.

2. I think that is what 2 becoming 1 means to my husband

3. Has my view changed? I don't think it has. My parents have this view and my mom has always taught me the things I talked about in question 1.

4. The above is how I would explain it to a newly or nearly married couple.

5. How have I seen this work in my marriage? This works in marriages... this is what works in my marriage, I gave several examples in my first answer. We stick by this. We don't fight.

6. How have I seen this work in other marriages? Well... I learned this from my parents and they have been married for 35 years. 

7. Do we do anything intentional to work on this idea? Christian just called me (literally 5 minutes ago) because he checked our bank account and found a few things that he wasn't sure about. He called me and asked what was going on- he didn't yell at me, he didn't accuse me of spending random money- and it turned out to be a legitimate expense. That was intentional. First to not yell at each other for things. Secondly the communication. I know some couples who wouldn't talk about this. He would see two paypal payments of 20$ made by the other and would think "well she just bought something on ebay for herself, I'm going to do the same thing." She would check the account and see that he bought something for himself and do the same thing.  It is difficult for me to watch Nick ask dad to do something and have dad tell him no when I think it's ok to do. I have to be intentional not to undermine Christian in that instance.  We have to be intentional to talk about how we are going raise our children. Ok so after typing all this I can boil it down to one word- COMMUNICATION. We have to be intentional about communicating with each other. Granted communicating comes easy to Christian and myself but we intend to do this.

8. Questions I would ask an older married couple.... What is your secret to being married 20, 30, 50 years? How do you deal with a major tragedy/loss in your marriage?

9.We do spend time with older couples. My parents have been married for 35 years. We are part of a life group at church, most of us are married and we are all ages (actually I think Christian and I are  the youngest in the group.) and two of the couples we are good friends with have been married for 14 and 20 years although they are only 5-ish years older than us.

10. What marriage examples do I have in my life? I can't speak for what happens behind closed doors but what I have seen has all been positive. My family growing up, for the most part, are all married for the first time. my grandparents for almost 60 years, parents for 35 years. When my great-grandfather died, he would have been married to my great grandmother for almost 70 years. I wasn't exposed to divorce until I was in Jr high school when my uncle and aunt were divorced. My uncle had started going to church and his wife couldn't take it and started her own thing. He remarried to a Christian woman and now lead "Married for Life" classes for other couples. 

11. Biblical concept of 2 becoming 1.  I chose a marble cake for our wedding cake. The reason for this is because you have vanilla cake and chocolate cake, two different cakes, different flavors, different colors. They become one cake mixed together. They still keep their original color and flavor, yet they are baked together in a way that makes them one. They 'can' be taken apart but painfully with a lot of work and they will never be the same. I believe there is a verse in Psalms or Proverbs that equates divorce with "ripping apart". That brings a vision that looks to me like abortion, the ripping of flesh from someone. 

12 When does this process take place? I believe you start practicing the communication when you date seriously. You talk about your dreams and visions. You discuss how you want to raise your children. You start to practice with finance when you become engaged- figuring out who will pay for what concerning the wedding. The process actually takes place during the wedding. This is when dad says "ok, you are going to be responsible for my daughter now"  I think this is the symbolism in dad walking the bride down the aisle. He ushers her into life (church) and on a journey to meet her spouse (down the aisle). He relinquishes all responsibility to the husband and when the husband walks her down the aisle and out of the church that is symbolic of the husband leading her on a journey out of life. This is -grrr had to feed Levi and lost my train of thought-. oh, during the wedding is when the wife takes the husbands name, when you are married is when Credit unions will allow the spouse to join. We got into an accident on our honey moon. Christian didn't have a car so he didn't have insurance ( he was driving) but because we had just gotten married, even tho I hadn't changed my name or address with the insurance company, they covered him. This is the only acceptable time to become one physically and to become one financially. 

Whew! Probably more than you bargained for but I love talking about good marriages, that's another passion Christian and I share. God has blessed us with an amazing marriage. I am embarrassed sometimes when I'm with the girls and they are talking about problems and I can't relate. You've heard the adage "to good to be true", well I'm still expecting the bottom to fall out. It feels to good to be true so it must me. It's just all God, we have minor disagreements but we've never "really" fought and you've known both of us long enough to know that Christian has a temper and I am moody. We should fight all the time! Statistically speaking we should be divorced or close to it by now- we've battled unemployment, loss of children, we practically lived together before getting married and we weren't virgins when we met and we live paycheck to paycheck but we don't have debt, we agree about our relationship with God and we talk. Chrisian tells me all the time that I am #2 in his life, God comes first and always will... that is the most romantic thing he says to me.

Ok, I'll stop now. I hope this is what you were looking for and I hope you haven't gotten bored and stopped reading by now. =)

2 Becoming 1-Ministers

Dear Friends in Ministry,

I am working on the idea of what it means when the bible says 2 become 1 and would like your input on some things. Please feel free to answer these questions either in the comment section, via email or facebook.

  1. What is the biblical concept of two becoming 1? Where do we see it?
  2. Have you ever taught and/or preached on this particular subject? If so when? Did you get any particular response or input from others when you did this?
  3. Have you ever done any kind of premarital  *"counseling"?
  4. Have you ever done any marriage *"counseling"?
  5. What do you believe others in your ministry (church or para-church) context believe about this concept?

I appreciate your time as I know how busy you are. Also, please feel free to pass these along to others so we can all benefit from each other's knowledge, thoughts and expertise.




*I know that their is a lot of legal issues related to the word counseling. In this context I am using it as the common person or church goer may use it. In no way would response be any indication of performing any kind of unlicensed counseling. If you have any particular issue with this wording please feel free to use those words that you feel most comfortable with in any of your responses.

Two Becoming One-Married

Married Friends,

I am currently working through what the idea of two becoming one means and I would love your input in this process. Below you will find some questions that I would love your feedback on. Feel free to either email me your responses (Just put Marriage Questions in the subject line) or simply leave them in comment section. Also please let me know how long you have been married. Thanks.

  1. What does the concept of two becoming one mean to you?
  2. What do you think it means to your spouse?
  3. Has your view of this changed over time?What did you think it meant when you first got married?
  4. How would you explain it to newlyweds or engaged couples?
  5. How have you seen this concept worked out in your marriage?
  6. How have you seen it worked out in other marriages?
  7. Do you do anything intentional to work on this idea in your marriage?
  8. If you could ask an older couple (those who have been married longer than you) 1 or 2 questions what would they be?
  9. Do you spend time with older couples?
  10. What kinds of marriage models have you had in your life?
  11. What do you believe is the biblical concept of two becoming one?
  12. When does the process of two becoming one begin? at dating? at marriage? at engagement?
 I appreciate you taking the time to answer these questions and would also ask that you pass them on to others who might be able to give input on this as well. I am not sure why God is leading me down this path but I believe it is for something larger than this little blog, possibly some type of book or pamphlet or bible study or something. With this in mind the more input I have the better and more comprehensive this will. 

Are Weddings Valuable?

According to TheKnot.com and WeddingChannel.com the average cost for a wedding in the U.S. was $27,017. If you live in a major metropolitan area such New York or Chicago the average cost jump to over $50,000. These crazy amounts of money have lead many people to try and devalue the importance of the wedding and the wedding ceremony. Many people speak of commitment without all of the pomp and circumstance. To some extent I believe there is some truth in these ideas.

I believe that people can be married without all of the extras that we so often put in to weddings. I am not one that believes that you have to have the dream wedding for it to be a wonderful occasion. At the same time though I think there is something to be said for the wedding ceremony and the wedding party. First and foremost I do not think it is any coincidence that Jesus' first earthly miracle was at a wedding. I do not want to read too much in to this but if weddings were not that important then why would Jesus have done what He did. Why would he have provide the additional wine needed for the people to continue in their celebration? To me this says that weddings are important to God. It says that we should celebrate when a man and a woman have decided to make the public proclamation of their commitment to one another. Second, most Christians would say that one important aspect of baptism is that it is an outward expression of one's commitment to Jesus. I think wedding ceremonies are much the same in that they are a public expression of one's commitment to their spouse. Weddings are one of the greatest platforms that couples have to simply say I chose this person to be my spouse forever. For the Christians it is a time to say that we have made the decision that no matter what happens we will remain glued (see Mark 10:7-8) to one another. It is a time to say that this is a choice that will not be undone.

I do not know where you are in life. I do not know if you are married or not. I do not know if you are divorced or not. No matter where you are in your journey I would like for you to consider the following.

For the married: Did you have a wedding ceremony? If not why no and do you regret it? If you didn't have one before why not have one now? If you did have one was the kind of ceremony that truly spoke to your commitment to your spouse? If not is that something you should correct with a new ceremony?

For the unmarried: What concepts about weddings do you need to reconsider? Do you need to begin shifting your focus away from you (or your spouse) and towards the commitment you are making? Where Does God fit in to your wedding plans?

*For the divorced: Did a lack of commitment play a role in your divorce? Is reconciliation/remarriage possible with your ex-spouse? If not, what does this mean for you and remarriage? If you are remarried is there a difference in the level of commitment by either you or your new spouse?

I am hopeful that as you examine these questions and consider what the Bible has to say about marriage and weddings that you will be encouraged to help form deeper and more committed marriages. It is these stronger marriages that will lead to stronger families which in turn will lead to stronger churches.


*Please note-I fully understand that not every divorce is caused by a lack of commitment. I know their are biblical reasons for divorce and that many people are justified in leaving their spouse. I also know that many people get divorced when they are no longer happy and they become rather flippant about commitments they made when they got married.

Swirling Vortex of Chaos

If you have never worked third shift for an extended period of time then you may not be able to fully appreciate some of the unique perspective that it gives. One of the neatest things that happens for me is when i first wake up in the evening.

When I wake up (usually around 5:30 or 6:00) I am able to listen in on my family. With so many little ones our home is many times like a swirling vortex of chaos and yet so many times when I wake up what I hear is my wonderful bride skillfully managing this chaos and moving it forward. She is able to move it through homework, clean-up, sibling rivalry and towards things like diner, scouts and karate.

I do not know how she does it but I am thankful she does.

I love you beautiful!

Worry can be deadly

One of the most deadly things to a believer is worry. It destroys relationships. It can destroy our witness. It will destroy our bodies from the inside out. These significant consequences are some if the reasons why God spends so much time telling believers to not worry.

God clearly commands us to not worry but He also tries to reason with us in Matthew 6. Either way as believers we must battle against this most viscous of the enemy's attacks. I pray that each one of us will fight the fears and worries that hinder us from doing all that God wants us to do.

Marriage and Strength

Most of you know at least part of the struggles that my family and I have been through over the past few years. As I look back it seems as though all we have been doing is experience life as a roller coaster with highs, lows, twists and loops. At times this has been exhausting and others it has been exhilarating. Through it all though there have been two major constants.

First, my God has never left me nor forsaken me. There have been times when I questioned the path or the direction. There have been times when I felt as though I was all alone. In the end though I can look back and see that God has never ever left my side and that He walked with me and carried me through this journey called life.

Second, my wife has always been there. There have been times when our marriage was really struggling to survive yet I always knew deep down inside that my wonderful bride would be there. Sadly too often I took this for granted and failed to appreciate what an amazing truth it is to know that my Koishii would be there for me.

As we have walked this journey together I have gained a deeper understanding of what it means when two become one. I better understand that I cannot truly hide anything from my wife. She knows when something isn't right and she knows when "her Patrick" is missing and not around. I better understand what true strength and courage is all about. I better understand what it means to have a help mate. I better understand what it means to have a true friend.

I know that not everyone is meant to be married. I am not sure why God has chosen to bless me in this way but I am thankful that He has because I am not sure that I would still be here today if not for the love, strength and blessing of my wife.

Thank you, my love for all that you do. Love, me.  :)